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Okay so I spent a few days and nights in the hospital because of the little guy being born and had my iPAQ equiped with wireless. I found a signal immediately and hooked onto the internet, so what the industry tells you about how insecure hospitals are it is true... but get this... I plugged my laptop directly into the network port in the hospital room and NO CONNECTION they blocked my MAC haha okay MAC filter the LAN but not that WIFI? Smart huh?
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Was the router 100% default? Maybe some noob doctor thought he could get access to the internet easier with his laptop by buying a WRT54G for $100 at a local computer shop. Laughing
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unauthorized equipment on the network would be one good guess. And if IT finds it he will probably be in deep crap.

Sometimes stuff gets overlooked. Again, most IT people are trained on only what they use, something new comes along and ohh, well they don't know that.
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The wireless router's mac address must have been manually added if he was using it to access the internet.
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he could have cloned it to match his system. WAN and lan side wouldn't care if they matched because on a home router like that it wouldn't find out they were the same.
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Yeah, cloned is probably what happened, unless they were really dumb and let it on knowing it was not secure.
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No cloning needed what so ever, just turned on saw the hospital name and it connected automatically. Pretty cool but not cool if you want to find out patient information. Thus I got the ip address and the port they use and maybe I will see if I can get in from my home pc... of coarse using my neighbors open wifi Smile
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Oh and the reason I didnt cloan the IP when I plugged it in is because it was easier wireless to just put it under my sheets of the second bed if someone came in without having a bright yellow wire going from the wall to my bed lol
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I meant the IT staff probably cloned the desktop's MAC to the wireless router that is not secured. The wireless router needed to either have its MAC approved or have it cloned to an already approved MAC address.
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Yeah exactly but come on a major hospital not securing their network? I heard it is because they rather be sued over stolen data then the death of a patient...
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The hosptial IT staff probably either doesn't know how to secure it, or they don't know the AP is even connected and there.
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Yeah they should hire some new IT staff members if they can figure that out or dont even know what equipment they have! That is pretty bad and might result in a few people getting fired or the whole entire IT department.
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From my experience with different firms, if it isn't an IT company, they are all like that. Just depends on the person and what they have worked with. Maybe networking ins't the strongpoint of that IT dept.
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If networking isnt a strongpoint in that IT dept. what is? I highly doubt if an IT department cant even do basic networking security practices... I highly doubt they have the capability of doing regular routine tasks. It is kind of scary that most of these IT departments in businesses lack intelligence!
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I agree in the lack of intelligence (or training) but my guess is they are specialiazed in setup and configuration, not protection. I'm just asuming here, but there is probably a lot of odd applications and devices that are for medical use only that need software or network access. I'm not saying they don't need to learn to protect their networks, but I bet it just ins't a priority for them. I am also asuming that the servers with medical records are somewhat secure.
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I am not sure where you are going to school but when I got my Bachelors degree in Computer Networking you had to have knowledge of security not only just software, hardware and networks.

I just think it is that some of these places are cutting corners and costs by hiring non-qualified canidates. I highly doubt that the medical records are secure. I have the IP Address and all I would need is a username and password to access them. Even have the port which is firewalled but if you have access or hijack it you can get in.
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LOL, and you think all IT people have IT based degrees. I worked in a dept run by a dumbass with a PHD in french, my mothers work's main IT head has a degree in interior design. They don't all learn this from a school.

There are stupid IT people out there and there are just generally stupid people out there (thus is why geeksqaud has been so sucessful (the stupid people part)).

Sh*t happens, people get positions that they don't have proper training for. Does it provide a lower quality of service and protection, yes, but still this sh*t happens, alot. Yea, there cutting corners, show me a decent sized company (at least offices in 30 states), that doesn't cut corners somewhere? It doesn't exist! To some people network security and IT in general is not the top priority. I would imagine that getting the right medicine to the right people and having the facilities to perform opperations, births, dignose patients and perform medical research trumps their need for a better IT dept at the moment, because the system in place works for them!

Your just seeing this because network security is your job!
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I'm wondering why I'm paying $100K+ on an education for this stuff, when I know better than them about securing stuff.

Reminds me when I got called down by Campus Safety for allegedly doing a DoS attack on a porn website. Their "Investigator" is "working on" his degree in Information Security (according to his bio on their page), yet the guy put on the report that I downloaded "5Gb" (sorry fool, it's 5GB) and that I downloaded it in four minutes. What a noob. I discredited him and did not get in trouble when everything was sent to the campus judicial nonsense.
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RIT is a $100K+ school? Really? I know at my campus at Penn State they always tried to crack down on computer fraud and breaking and entering with a system, aka hacking. So it was pretty funny when they couldnt find any thing and they are supposed to be very smart Smile
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It's over $30K a year.
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Not that bad, I was expecting a little more when you mentioned a $100K+ school.

Then again I know someone that goes to Princeton and pays triple what I do and he doesnt know half of what I do about computers... I guess experience really does pay off better then high end colleges.
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Thats why I liked LTU. You could do just about anything you wanted on their network. I never heard of anyone getting in any sorta trouble for doing something in their network.

Well, actually the only time I ever heard of someone getting in trouble was a friend of mine used Windows built-in 'tell' program (I have no idea what the program is called, net tell maybe?) And he sent it to everyone online on the campus network. He got in a little trouble for that, but nothing much.
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LTU? Never heard of it? Small Hospital? School?
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net send?
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LOL even my high school blocked net send, after one of us in the repair lab sent a message to every PC on the IP block.
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